Q. How has immigration helped fuel the American innovation economy?
The American model over the past 80 years had internationalism as its foundational tenet. It was an understanding that science and the pursuit of knowledge could itself be soft diplomacy, and bringing foreign students and scholars to train in U.S. universities could be an effective form of soft power, particularly during the Cold War.
It has been richly proven that incentivizing incredibly bright people from all over the world to come to the U.S. to study and to start entrepreneurial enterprises has been a critical component — if not the secret ingredient — of why American tech has been so dominant.
Immigration has been this incredible engine. A great example is Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google, who is the child of Russian émigrés. Same with Andy Grove, a Hungarian refugee who was CEO of Intel from 1987 to 1998.
We can’t predict what the future is going to bring. But American innovation rests on this very international foundation of people who’ve come here from around the world.
Q. Tech companies — Meta, X, OpenAI — have tremendous sway over global political discourse, influencing how we communicate and what information we receive. How does that fit into the broader influence of Big Tech?
We are in this uncharted territory when it comes to the dominance of an algorithmically manipulated news and information environment. These algorithms operate in a black box. But certainly it’s been made clear that there has been a deliberate effort to engineer the algorithm to favor certain types of information that produce engagement. All the platforms are engineered to build outrage, because outrage brings eyeballs, and eyeballs sell ads. That does change the dynamic of what’s getting covered and emphasized.
Here’s the analogy I’ve used: It’s a runaway train. These social media companies were spectacularly successful. The train started gathering speed, and the engineer at the helm, in this case, Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg, didn’t have the capacity or the will to slow it down. Also, the fast train was making lots of money. If you’re a publicly traded company, you’re not going to do things to hack into your profitability.
Perhaps we will reach a tipping point where the “enraged to engaged” social media model isn’t working anymore and something has to give. I would imagine there’s money to be made in creating a more sane and rational information environment that’s rich in quality. I’m curious to see how today’s college students, who have been navigating this from the very beginning, will attempt a reset. Will they navigate it better than previous generations?
Q. You’re currently researching the Gilded Age, which gave way to the Progressive Era — a time when the government began reining in big business. What were the catalysts for change — and do you see any in our current era?
Bigness creates backlash. We saw this during the Gilded Age. When a few companies have too much control over markets, public and political opinion sours on them. We saw this in the past decade with the so-called “techlash” around social media companies.
How did the first Gilded Age end? After a long period of reform and steady efforts to build up government capacity to wisely regulate — not overturn — the capitalist system.
There was great concern about the survival of democracy with such extreme polarization of wealth. Leaders of progressive reform were mostly middle-class professional elites who realized it was in their economic and political interest to even out the playing field — that that would help foster a stable society of opportunity and growth.
Progressive reform began in part at the local and state level with labor laws in the early 1900s. That percolated for decades and became national and institutionalized in the 1930s with the New Deal, after the Great Depression. I hope it doesn’t take a global economic meltdown to effect a fairer system today. The American experiment has been remarkably durable despite the many adverse headwinds it’s experienced over almost 250 years. This too will pass, but not by us sitting back and holding our breath. It will require the work of many people, including the people at the very top of Silicon Valley. They have a responsibility that comes with their great power and wealth.
Jen Kirby ’13 MS is a freelance journalist based in New York City. She writes about foreign policy, national security, politics, human rights and democracy.
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